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Johanna Magaziner Grun

Johanna Magaziner was born in Hungary in April 1839. Her name sometimes appears in records as Hani or Janka. I assume that Johanna is a daughter of Samuel, because a daughter of Adolf and a daughter of David both identified Johanna's daughter Emma as their cousin on ship manifests, and becase her date of birth fits neatly in a large gap between the births of Samuel's children. I assume Rozalia Rosenzweig was Johanna's mother because Rozalia was the mother of Samuel's younger son David.

Johanna married Lipot (Leopold) Grun around 1858. They had at least eight children.

Lipot apparently died before 1892, because he was not mentioned in his daughter Cornelia's obituary and Johanna is. After Lipot's death, Johanna lived in New York with her daughter Emma for a while: she appears with Emma's family in the 1900 federal census and the 1905 New York state census, but not in the 1910 federal census. Johanna died before 1915, when she is listed as deceased in her son Bertalan's death record.

Children of Johanna Magaziner and Lipot (Leopold) Grun include:

52. Cornelia Sara Grun (Kornelia) (b: 1858 in Kassa; d: 30 DEC 1891 in Vienna)
53. Bertalan Gaal (Berthold Baruch Grun) (b: 9 SEP 1860 in Kassa; d: 9 FEB 1915 in Budapest)
54. Lajos Gal (Ludwig Grun) (b: 4 DEC 1862 in Kassa; d: 8 AUG 1902 in Budapest)
55. Isidore Grun (b: 30 JUN 1864 in Kassa)
56. Emma Grun (b: MAY 1870 in Humenne; d: JAN 1962 in New York)
57. Began Grun (b: 1870; d: 18 APR 1875 in Budapest)
58. Terez Grun (b: 18 MAY 1871 in Budapest)
59. Mano Grun (b: 3 SEP 1873 in Budapest; d: 20 MAR 1876 in Budapest)

Generation #4

Cornelia Sara Grun Erdelyi (Kornelia)

Kornelia Sara Grun was born in Kassa Ujfalu around 1858. Her name was spelled Cornelia in Vienna. Cornelia married Izidor Erdelyi in Budapest on November 28, 1880. Izidor was born in Baja around 1857.

Cornelia and Izidor moved to Vienna, where they had at least two children. Cornelia died in Vienna on December 30, 1891, after a short illness. She was buried at Wiener Zentralfriedhof. Their son Otto was buried with her later. Izidor may have remarried to another woman named Cornelia in Vienna in 1900.

Children of Cornelia Sara Grun and Izidor Erdelyi include:

1. Louise Elizabeth Erdelyi (b: 09 SEP 1881)
2. Otto Louis Erdelyi (b: 1884; d: 09 Jun 1935)

Bertalan Gaal (Berthold Baruch Grun)

Berthold Grun was born in Kassa on September 9, 1860. His Hebrew name was Baruch. Berthold changed his surname to Gaal at some time before 1891, and used the given name Bertalan in Budapest. Bertalan was an architect. In Budapest, he lived at the same address as his uncle, Lajos Magaziner.

In the late 1890s, Bertalan married Hermina Schweitzer in Budapest. Hermina was born in Miskolcz in 1870. They had at least one daughter.

Bertalan suffered a stroke and died in Budapest on February 9, 1915, at the age of 54. He was buried at Kozma Utcai Izraelita Temeto, where many members of the family are buried. His wife Hermina died in 1936 and is buried with him at Kozma Utca.

Children of Bertalan Gaal and Hermina Schweitzer include:

1. Lili Gaal (b: 26 NOV 1900; d: 1989)

Lajos Gal (Ludwig Grun)

Ludwig Grun was born in Kassa on December 4, 1862. He changed his name to Lajos Gal at some time before 1891. His name also appeared as Ludwig Gal or Gaal.

Lajos died on August 8, 1902 in Budapest, at the age of 39, apparently never married. His brother Bertalan published a death notice for him in the Pester Lloyd (a German-language newspaper based in Hungary), identifying the decedent as Ludwig F. Gál and the person publishing the notice as Architekt Berthold Gaál. The death notice indicates that Lajos died after a long period of suffering, but I have not been able to discern the cause of death from the death registry.

Isidore Grun

Isidore Grun was born in Kassa on June 30, 1864. He probably died before 1892, because he was not mentioned in his sister Cornelia's obituary, as siblings Bertalan, Lajos and Emma were, and Johanna said in the 1900 census that only three of her children were living.

Emma Grun Rosenberg

Emma Grun was born in Humenne in May 1870. On June 3, 1888, she married Lipot Frigyes Rosenberg. He was known as Fred or Fritz later in life. Fred was born in Budapest on September 25, 1865. They had three children in Budapest.

Fred emigrated to New York on the Fulda in October 1895. Emma and their children followed him on the Normannia in July 1896. They settled in Manhattan, on Madison Avenue. In New York, Fred worked as a stock broker. Emma's mother, Johanna was living with them from before 1900 to after 1905. Emma's cousin Regina (Adolf's daughter) visited them in New York in 1907, and her cousin Elza (David's daughter) visited in 1924.

Fred died in November 1941. Emma died in January, 1962, at the age of 92.

Children of Emma Grun and Fred (Lipot Frigyes) Rosenberg include:

1. Elsie Rosenberg (Elza) (b: 5 MAY 1889; d: APR 1976)
2. Edwin Rosenberg (Oden) (b: 26 JUL 1890; d: 15 MAR 1969)
3. Gisela Rosenberg (b: 13 JUL 1891; d: JUL 1985)

Terez Grun

Terez Grun was born in Budapest on May 18, 1871. She probably died before 1892, because she was not mentioned in her sister Cornelia's obituary, as siblings Bertalan, Lajos and Emma were, and Johanna said in the 1900 census that only three of her children were living.

Generation #5

Louise Elizabeth Erdelyi

Louise Elizabeth Erdelyi was born in Vienna on September 9, 1881. She was the daughter of Cornelia Sara Grun and Izidor Erdelyi. She was an actress. In January 1909, she converted to Christianity. She was unmarried at that time. I have found no further records of her.

Otto Louis Erdelyi

Otto Louis Erdelyi was born in Vienna in 1884. He was the son of Cornelia Sara Grun and Izidor Erdelyi. He worked as a painter. He died on June 9, 1935, and is buried at Wiener Zentralfriedhof with his mother, Cornelia.

Lili Gaal

Lili Gaal was born in Budapest on November 26, 1900 the daughter of Bertalan Gaal and Hermina Schweitzer.

On January 15, 1928, Lili married Jeno Heller in Budapest. Jeno was born in Budapest on January 11, 1896. Jeno was Lili's second cousin on the Magaziner side: Lili's grandmother, Johanna Magaziner, was the sister of Jeno's grandfather, Jozsef Magaziner. See illustration.

Jeno changed their surname to Hellei in 1946. He died in 1980 and was buried at Kozma Utcai Izraelita Temeto, where many of the Budapest Magaziners were buried. Lili died in 1989, at the age of 89, and was buried with Jeno.

Elsie Rosenberg Amster (Elza)

Elza Rosenberg was born in Hungary on May 5, 1889. She was the daughter of Emma Grun and Fred (Lipot Frigyes) Rosenberg. In July 1896, she came to America on the Normannia with her mother and siblings. Her father was already in New York. In America, Elza was known as Elsie. She worked as a vocational counsellor, and later as an interior decorator.

On June 30, 1927, Elsie married Henry Amster. Henry was born in New York in on July 7, 1884. He was a prominent lawyer, and was at one time a legal partner of Fiorello LaGuardia. They had one daughter, still living.

Henry died in June 1956. Elsie died in April 1976, at the age of 86.

Edwin Rosenberg (Oden)

Oden Rosenberg was born in Budapest on July 26, 1890. He was the son of Emma Grun and Fred (Lipot Frigyes) Rosenberg. In July 1896, he came to America on the Normannia with his mother and sisters. His father was already in New York. In America, Oden was known as Edwin.

Edwin married Bertha Lamm in New York on July 10, 1919. Bertha was born in New York in on August 2, 1890. They had two sons, both still living.

Edwin served in World War I. After the war, he was the President of Glensder Textile Corporation, a job that he held until his retirement in 1957. He was active in Jewish charitable work, including HIAS, United Jewish Appeal and Federation. An award for leadership in Jewish communal service was established in his name.

Edwin died on March 15, 1969, at the age of 78. Bertha died in October, 1985.

Gisela Rosenberg

Gisela Rosenberg was born in Budapest July 13, 1891. Her Hebrew name was Toive. Gisela was the daughter of Emma Grun and Fred (Lipot Frigyes) Rosenberg. In July 1896, she came to America on the Normannia with her mother and siblings. Her father was already in New York.

Gisella worked for a time as a secretary at a mental hospital in New York. She apparently never married. Gisella died on July 3, 1985, just shy of her 94th birthday.